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StefanL, 02.07.09, 06:40
Following Links in a post on elephantville I stumbled upon two blogposts by one Richard Posner, an appeal court justice in Chicago, a very intelligent man too and seemingly a well known conservative.
One text can be found in the archives of the NY Times. It was written in 2005 and, all counted together, was heavily in favour of the new media and blogging especially. Small wonder, the man blogs a lot himself. The story is titled Bad News.
"So when all the pluses and minuses of the impact of technological and economic change on the news media are toted up and compared, maybe there isn't much to fret about."
The second one is found on the Becker-Posner Blog and titled The Future of News. It is a rather cautious argument for exacerbating US Copyright Law.
"Expanding copyright law to bar online access to copyrighted materials without the copyright holder's consent, or to bar linking to or paraphrasing copyrighted materials without the copyright holder's consent, might be necessary to keep free riding on content financed by online newspapers from so impairing the incentive to create costly news-gathering operations that news services like Reuters and the Associated Press would become the only professional, nongovernmental sources of news and opinion."
How a crisis can change opinions. This present one did so with the left and the right. But naturally more so with the right. The tides are turning now. Nevertheless I recommend reading both posts because of their intelligent writing and good insight into the development of American media thinking.
If anyone can tell me in a comment, what the flaws in his arguments are, the better. I have one critique in the drawer but definitely do not want to waste it here. It is not trivial and hard to explain because it makes a lot of assumptions that some people are beginning reflect these days but that are hardly wholly agreed upon even among my best friends.
The wonderful trackback mechanism of the Becker-Posner-Blog has automatically linked a short critique of Posner's opinion:
"Why he doesn’t get it
Because his idea is against the very nature of the Internet and nobody would support him. Plus, his article has a trackback function enabled to encourage linking!"
This is valid but not good enough an argument and wrong in its definition of nobody. Reading just about the top 10 critical comments on Posner's posting brought me to the opinion that his readers are far from being willing or able to correctly or efficiently counter his newly formed arguments.
Dan Kennedy of the Guardian - to whom I came from elephantville and by whom I came to Posner - asks: "Should Linking Be Illegal?" and denies it. Kennedy's central argument is derived from the mp3-wars (free content drives traffic to commericial content) and not good enough either, I think.
"Posner comes across as willfully blind to the ways in which bloggers and aggregators actually drive traffic to news sites, resulting in more readers seeing their content and, thus, their advertising."
The rest of that story is playing on liberal prejudices on conservative judges and as such manipulative and of little value. It is a pity. Come on, defenders of the net, we can do better, unless ...
But then again, it's only the internetz, have no fears. It is neither salvation and bliss eternal nor the balance of the schwartz that is in danger.
micro_robert,
02.07.09, 09:04
Vielleicht ist der Vorschlag auch so idiotisch, dass es sich nicht rentiert, darüber nachzudenken. Schon wieder Geld gespart!
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ich bin mir da nicht so sicher, ich weiß nämlich wer aller daran arbeitet und mit welchen Verbindungen. Ein Linkverbot wird nicht herauskommen aber ein paar andere seltsame Ergebnisse wird das schon erreichen.
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micro_robert,
02.07.09, 10:45
Vergiss es. Sie müssten das Zitieren verbieten. Und das ist sogar in diesem schwachsinnigen DMCA fair use. Sollen sie ruhig das Linken auf Zeitungscontent verbieten. Dann fahren diese Freaks nur noch schneller zur Hölle. (Tun sie das? Ich kenne diese grenzdebile Branche und ihre nichtigen Exponenten seit 1971 nur als jammernden Komplex aus Kostendrückern und Geldvernichtern. Eigentlich müssten sie ja schon längst alle hinüber sein, aber sie fahren doch gleichzeitig ordentliche Gewinne, beuten weiterhin fröhlich Arbeitskräfte aus und fahren Bentley. Jammer, jammer, jammer, heul.)
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da stimmt ja vieles irgendwie, aber die andere Sache ist einerseit die, dass die traditionellen Medien diese Initiative europaweit sehr breit angelegt haben und mit den nationalen Politikern viel mehr verbandelt sind als mit den Brüsseltypen. Dazu kommt, dass die Engländer eher dagegen, die Frenchies als Vormacht der EU stark dafür sind (warum ist auch klar).
Das ist aber noch nicht das Beunruhigende, sondern dass eben die Republikaner in den USA, die immer für die new economy und gegen die traditionellen Medien waren, jetzt einen Querschwenk machen, weil ihnen einfach jeder vorrechnet, dass das Internet als Medium ökonomisch nicht funktioniert und das tut es halt auch wirklich nicht. Da sollte sich niemand irren. Da rinnen Milliarden hinein und alle Internet-Bilanzen außer der von google und amazon und vielleicht Rockstar North und Blizzard sind gefälscht. Und jetzt langsam, wegen der Finanzkrise, mag das einfach niemand mehr subventionieren.
Andererseits besteht die Medienbranche ja nicht nur aus den von dir beschriebenen "Bentley fahrenden Ausbeutern" und überprivilegierten aber unterbeschäftigten Altjournalisten, sondern auch noch aus Leuten, die einfach gute Arbeit machen und die halt ein Talent zum Schreiben oder ähnliches haben. Manche von denen haben's nicht so schlecht aber Druck und andere werden, wie Du richtig schreibst, ausgebeutet. Da muss ein Mittelweg gefunden werden und der kann nicht nur aus dem freelancenden Rumgrattln mit amazon Werbung auf dem eigenen Blog sein. Ich sehe auch noch keinen einzigen Internet-Unternehmer, der einem professionellen Medienmacher halbwegs anständig zahlen würde. Im Gegenteil, die neigen alle dazu, Vermietagenturen für das Schreibpersonal zu nehmen und noch viel schlechter zu zahlen als die Medien, die ja immerhin aus dem eigenen Haus Druck und Vergleich haben. Es geht also nicht darum, irgendwen zu retten, sondern darum, etwas neu aufzubauen, wo auch Medien-Profis arbeiten können und nicht nur Projektmanager und smarte Programmierer.
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chris8,
16.07.09, 21:46
nur weil ich selbst Medienprofi bin, sondern weil ich es für begrüßenswert halte, dass es auch künftig so etwas gibt wie das Gehäuse von ordentlichen Zeitungen (oder sonstigen Medien welcher Art auch immer), in denen man (Zitat) "einfach gute Arbeit" leisten kann und auch halbwegs anständig dafür bezahlt bekommt (Aversion gegen Bentley fahrende Herausgeber bzw. Herausnehmer ist mir dabei verständlich.).
Einen lesenswerten Artikel zur Ökonomie der Zeitungsarbeit hat NYT-Kolumnist Frank Rich geschrieben - tinyurl.com . Rich, selbst hauptsächlich im Metier "Meinen" tätig, weist zurecht darauf hin, dass Meinen billig, Recherchieren aber teuer ist, vor allem dann wenn's heftigen Gegenwind gibt oder wenn man ins entfernte Ausland fahren muss. Welcher Internet-Unternehmer ermöglicht seinen Unterläufeln eine adäquate Infrastruktur für eine solche Arbeit?
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motzes,
02.07.09, 14:02
didn't we have this discussion already in the late 90s when commerce and marketing came in and classical media dreamed of making millions/billions with their archives??
i recall a story form the 16th: to every cow her calf; to every book its copy. thomas cahill did a book on this, mtx archive tells.
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a very nice story - the Irish saving western civilization - and a sympathetic myth too. Nonetheless copyright and protection of intellectual property was progress in its day but, under global conditions and under the circumstances of the pending decline of consumer oriented economy, it seems to be obsolete for at least non-luxury versions of nearly all media. Look out, books will be next, half save by the kindle and half free good in the open. But all of the so called media business models (the one in place now for professionally produced media and valid for about 140 years now stems from the 1860ies and the invention of the penny illustrated paper) on the internet do not work very well. The fact has been largely ignored but has been obvious for years and anyone doing some easy fundamental spreadsheet computing.
Consultancy Companies and Software Vendors have lied a lot on this topic if only to protect their business under the general rule of the necessity of positive thinking.
The most obvious symptom is, that nobody but media incumbents and Yahoo have successfully created a professional news site. If that would be a business lots of investors would have done it and would still do it. In the last 10 years all media investors rather put their money into strange cable tv setups and free daily newspapers and they did so with a reason. until now I do not remember have not met a single internet guy who understood that.
Few have tried and all of them failed, mainly because no serious investor would do such a crazy thing. On the other hand many factors forced media companies to do that allthough to anyone only half sensible there - with the exception of the managements and strategists of the BBC, ARD, RAI, NHK and CCTV - it must have looked like a completely crazy thing to do and try.
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looks like a very interesting paper. no one need argue with me about the fact that copyright has far exceeded any sensible limits and that it was many corporate interest that led to that exaggeration. still good to know how many people diligently work to convince the powers that be that to turn around is high on time and to go on only means to slip into ever deeper trouble.
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who might have learned their lessons by now. I am totally interested.
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i know that i don't have to argue about that. anyhow, i found his paper, as i heard about it - well, two years ago by now - pretty interesting and useful to tell the story.
who may have learned a lesson? i hope those who slithered into bankruptcy.
i also recall la vanguardia and el pais. and i think there was even the guy from el mundo who was in charge of online policy, who has learned something during my years there. but well, that might not be true nowadays, as i haven't listened to them lately.
btw. pamela samuelson has an interesting article in acm communications about the google book search settlement. and no wonder: the winners are a handful lawyers who "receive a $45.5 million in fees for their work on the settlement - more than all of the authors combined". i can send you the article if you wish.
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from spaniards to africa: this guy might be for your interest. i am still digging his thoughts and pointers ...
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yes he's writing about a topic of interest of mine. but no, he is not of interest to me because everything suggested in that post is dead wrong. the guy does not understand anything about media, let alone news media.
the writing is like he was in the "ruin the media and earn money and a reputation by it" business. so it his things might be interesting for our friend rappold. we already got enough media tech companies built on the premises.
if indeed he has already landed a job in the multimedia arm of a real media company and the writing sounds a bit like he has, he is going to ruin that company even faster than from without. good luck!
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what friends you have, yet i agree. ;) - couldn't resist.
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